Buduce Intel procesory

[THX]

Penryn to have HT

ONE OF THE more interesting bits about Conroe is HT, or the lack thereof. It was on the roadmaps as of two years ago, but was removed from the mix in the rush to get the cores out. Now the Penryn cores will have HT re-enabled. Yay ?µ

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37240

Penryn ma byt 45mn nasledovnik conroe, ma mat aj SSE4.

A velmi dobra stranka o buducich inteloch je tiez na wikipedii:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_N...uture_products

A este nieco k penrynu - vysiel clanok na anandtechu. Je to v podstate nejake info o predpokladanych features a hlavne o tom ze prvy vyrobeny prototyp bol pomerne celkom funkcny...

[THX]

Nejake dalsie info o buducich procesoroch, tentokrat je to mozno trocha OT - jedna sa totiz o novy intel embedded procesor (xscale tusim predali niekomu). Je zamyslany ako priamy konkurent pre viu C7, zaujimavy je ale podporou sirokeho spektra rozhrani (napriklad aj automobilovej CAN bus).

Intel Readies New "Tolapai" System-on-Chip

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Tolapai will feature a cut-down Pentium M-derived processor core with 256KB of L2-cache. Intel will offer Tolapai in three clock-speeds – 600 MHz, 1066 MHz and 1200 MHz. Power consumption will vary from 13-22-watts depending on clock speed. Tolapai supports a maximum of 2GB of DDR2-400/533/667/800 memory in dual-channel configurations.

Intel will manufacturer Tolapai on a 65-nanometer fabrication process. It will feature 1,088-ball FCBGA packaging that measures in at 1.092-mm.

Unlike the Pentium M and Core architecture processors, Tolapai’s CPU-core will have hardware accelerated security encryption and decryption functions like VIA’s C7 and C3 Nehemiah-core processors. Supported hardware security encryption methods include: AES, 3DES, RC4, MD5, SHA-1, SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512, HMAC, ESA and DSA.
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Intel will also implemented support for up to two CAN-bus ports for automotive applications. Other notable supported features include two SMBus/I2C, two USB 1.1/2.0, two SATA 3.0Gbps, sync serial port and local expansion bus. Mezzanine connectors are also available for the expansion bus interfaces.
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V podstate vsetky informacie z clanku vidno na tomto obrazku:

[Petrik]

http://www.cdr.cz/a/20549

[iPoK]

Kaslite na TeraScale, aj tak to nebude do desktopov (sam som zvedavy aky OS nasadia).

Do desktopov asi pojde architektura "NEHALEM", serverom bude patrit "THURLEY", to je to co pride po "Penryn CPU" ako komplet nova architektura. (serverove) CPU ma obsahovat 3-kanalovy DDR3 radic integrovany do CPU, ma sa vratit HT (DualCore spracuje 4 thready).

Tak sa pytam, oplati sa ESTE posledny raz pockat rok, a neist do C2D (dovod je pomer vykon/watt), lebo toto vypada ako koniec C2D uz na buduci rok.

[MadCap]

btw, HT by som rad videl aj v C2D tie procaky vedia az moc IPC (Instructions per clock) a vacsinu casu sa preto dost flakaju

[iPoK]

Ale cakat sa asi neoplati, lebo kym sa arch. vyladi, prejde zas polroka, tak ako teraz pri C2D. Strasne som kcel postavit PC, ktore aspon 5 rokov neobmenim. Ale cakanie na Memory Controler v CPU sa zda bude este dlhe. Takto ak si teraz zaobstaram C2D, tak o rok pride znova obmena MOBO a RAM spolu s CPU, cize to co som presne nekcel.

K topicu, neviete niekto dalsie info k tymto CPU? V CORE2 architekture je napr. volny posledny Issue port, nepride tam dalsia FPU jednotka? Co bude obnasat vypustenie FSB?

btw, HT by som rad videl aj v C2D tie procaky vedia az moc IPC (Instructions per clock) a vacsinu casu sa preto dost flakaju

Len ak mat byt HT uspesne, bude to musiet byt nieco lepsie ako v PIV. Vtedy to spolu s WinXP bola dost tragedia v tom naraste vykonu (o ignorovani priorit by zase mohol Eagle porozpravat).

[THX]

Ak si teraz kupis c2d, napr. nejaku e6300 alebo 4300vku, tak ta to vyjde aj celkom financne rozumne a vydrzi ti to aspon dva roky. Teda - ak nebudes chciet upgradovat na penryn, ale to by ti mala stacit vymena CPU.
Ber to tak, ze penryn tu este nie je a nehalem je az dalsia generacia, navyse ma ddr3 pamate - to bude tiez chvilu trvat kym sa rozsiria a IMO budu spociatku dost drahe, urcite sa vyplati pockat tak pol roka po nehaleme, kym sa odhalia vsetky vyhody/nevyhody/vlastnosti novych procesorov a chipsetov. V tej dobe tipujem ze uz budes kupovat asi aj nejaky mozno hybridny disk, GF9 grafiku atd. Proste este je to dost daleko, tak skoro sa nehalema nedockas, ak si teraz kupis pc, tak ti vydrzi dva roky, aj viac, povedal by som ze realne tri a potom sa ti oplati dalsi upgrade...

Aby som nebol velmi OT - na anandtechu maju tiez pekny clanok o tom 80core procaku. Ten procak nie je nieco, co ma byt realne, je to len prototyp na otestovanie novych technologii (ako napr. routovania informacii medzi jadrami, nove usporne rezimy, stacked dram (pamat rovno na jadre) a pod.).

[MadCap]

nemusi byt nutne prilis iny, problem PIV bol ten, ze na to nemali zase taky uzasny potencial na vyuzitie, ktory je dnes dostupny Proste by to bola len cesta, jak vyuzit potencial

[Fox!MURDER]

nemusi byt nutne prilis iny, problem PIV bol ten, ze na to nemali zase taky uzasny potencial na vyuzitie, ktory je dnes dostupny Proste by to bola len cesta, jak vyuzit potencial

v northwoodu afaik ten potencial byl ... resp. byl to zpusob, jak zamestnat vetsi cast cpu bez rekompilace s jinejma optimizacema ...

ale opravdu by to nejak chtelo resit tu prioritizaci ... napr. tim, ze ty dve virtualni cpu rozdeli na hi-prio a lo-prio.

[iPoK]

Ak si teraz kupis c2d, napr. nejaku e6300 alebo 4300vku, tak ta to vyjde aj celkom financne rozumne a vydrzi ti to aspon dva roky.

jj ked tak na to kukam, tak sa rysuje uz v Aprili (Duben) dva nove kusky s FSB/cache: 266MHz/4MB a to E6320a E6420, v cene cca $160 a $180. Skoda, ze budu mat dost nizke nasobice.

[THX]

Mozno to nesuvisi s novymi intel procakmi, ale ked sme uz o tom zacali hovorit... na chilehardware sa objavili informacie o P35 chipsete, ktory ma podporovat ddr3
http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/in...053#post839053
je tam aj par obrazkov dosiek s tymto chipsetom a vypisane ich parametre...

[PiT]

THX:

http://cdr.cz/a/20608

[THX]

jj, to je ono, tie dosky som si vsimol uz skor na dailytechu, ze vraj to ma zvysit vykon c2d o 15%, ale to pochybujem - ide len o podporu 1333fsb
http://dailytech.com/Intel+P35+Expre...rticle6061.htm

[PiT]

Uvidime, velmi tomu neverim.

[THX]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6173
"Intel G33 Express-based Motherboards Sampling"
G33 = P35 s integrovanou x3000+

[THX]

nieco z blizkej buducnosti, alebo xeony a la penryn


http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37775

CHIP FIRM Intel said it will now produce a server 45 nanometre processor based on Penryn in the second half of this year.

That, said Kirk Skaugen, general manager of server platforms, pulls in production by one quarter plus.

He said Intel will launch a Clovertown LV (low voltage) chip at 50 watts - 12.5 watts a core, in two weeks time.

He also said that Nehalem is on track for 2008. This slide below outlines everything he had to say about targets. He refuted a quote from Marty Seyer from AMD on benchmarks that the Opteron beat Intel CPUs on benchmarks. AMD even contradicted itself, he said. µ

EDIT: dalsie info
Intel to Bring-In 3GHz Quad-Core Chips, 1600MHz Processor Bus.

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The new Intel Xeon 45nm microprocessor for dual-socket applications based on the core that Intel calls Penryn will be drop-in compatible with the company’s contemporary Intel 5000-series core-logic sets (code-named Bensley and Glidewell platforms), however, there will be an improved version of the Intel 5000-series chipset aimed at HPC/WS market segments that features 1600MHz processor system bus (PSB) coming in the second half of the year to support higher-performance Xeon “Clovertown” chips with operation at 3GHz.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...221162530.html

[THX]

Mozno by sa tato sprava este hodila do zamknuteho threadu vyznam dual core:

Multi-Core Chips' Shipments Prevail over Single-Core Offerings - Intel.

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Stacy Smith, vice president and assistant of chief financial officer at Intel Corp., said during a presentation at the Bank of America technology conference that in Q4 2006 over 50% of microprocessors shipped by the company contained two processing engines, which essentially marks the milestone when multi-core x86 chips start to prevail over single-core offerings, at least, when it comes to Intel’s chips.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...222052343.html

Vzhladom na to, ze intel vyraba omnoho viac cpu ako AMD, tak uz v Q4 2006 bola skoro polovica vsetkych vyrobenych procakov DC, dnes je to samozrejme este viac a co tak napr. ku koncu roka...

[monsoon]

Vzhladom na to, ze intel vyraba omnoho viac cpu ako AMD, tak uz v Q4 2006 bola skoro polovica vsetkych vyrobenych procakov DC, dnes je to samozrejme este viac a co tak napr. ku koncu roka...

Jestli to nahodou nebude tim, ze zadna single-core verze Conroe neexistuje a tim padem se i blbe kupuje.

[MadCap]

Jestli to nahodou nebude tim, ze zadna single-core verze Conroe neexistuje a tim padem se i blbe kupuje.

a kto ti povedal, ze core zabera vacsinu produkcie Intelu? To nie je vobec pravda

[tomase]

a kto ti povedal, ze core zabera vacsinu produkcie Intelu? To nie je vobec pravda

A ty vies odkial co je a co nie je pravda?

[MadCap]

A ty vies odkial co je a co nie je pravda?

napriklad z takych fajn grafov, kde bolo ukazane, ze Core procaky budu tvorit polku produkcie az tak zaciatkom Q2/07 nie vsetci tu beru info len z INQ a inych super zdrojov

[tomase]

napriklad z takych fajn grafov, kde bolo ukazane, ze Core procaky budu tvorit polku produkcie az tak zaciatkom Q2/07 nie vsetci tu beru info len z INQ a inych super zdrojov

Aha tak to tie tvoje informacie su skutocne o dost hodnovernejsie

[MadCap]

Aha tak to tie tvoje informacie su skutocne o dost hodnovernejsie

ver ci never, mne je to sumak, ja ich mam od Intelu takze nemam dovod o nich pochybovat

[THX]

Intel Plans to Adjust Pricing of Mainstream, Entry-Level Chips.

Intel Readies Price Cut on NetBurst Processors
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Intel Corp. intends to cut prices on Intel Pentium 4 and Intel Pentium D processors in the range of 5% – 10% ahead of planned April 22 price-cut. The move will allow Intel to get rid of outdated central processing units (CPUs) and may pose a threat to AMD, whose vast majority – two thirds – of shipments consisted of single-core AMD Athlon 64 and AMD Sempron chips that are sold at pretty affordable prices in Q4 2006.
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DigiTimes web-site noted that after a quiet price adjustment in January, the most affordable Intel Celeron 331 costs $34 after marginal 13% price reduction, the Pentium 4 651 and 650 are priced at $84 once their prices were cut by 48% and 69%, respectively. Price drops in the Pentium D lineup were not really significant and remained in the range between 10% and 18%, making Intel Pentium D 925 and 945 to cost $93 and $113 in 1000-unit quantities.

The gradual price reduction of the NetBurst micro-architecture-based microprocessors indicates that the company has plans to inject chips that feature modern Core 2 micro-architecture across all desktop CPU market segments.
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http://xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display...228180002.html

Takze uz aj v AMD vyrobilo v Q4 2006 tretinu DC procakov a SC opteronov.

[THX]

Prednedavnom vyslo kopu clankov o penryne (nikde sa uz nespomina HT) a o nehaleme, ktory ma mat HT (symetricke), intergovany radic pamate a grafiku.

Clanok na anandtechu

Zoznam dalsich clankov na ostatnych servroch (na elitebastards je este lepsi zoznam).