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    Standardní Re: G80 - G90 a dalsi novinky

    G92 "specifications"

    Performance below 8800GTX, 9k+ in 3DMark06, power consumption below 7900GTX
    He also says something about the G90, which should be a big chip with 512Bit MC, but he says NV wants to lower risks and canceled this GPU resp. it is in reserve, if it is needed some day.
    7900GTX mela spotrebu kolem 70W btw., taky se tam pise, ze se dockame cele nove rady GF9, celkove maji predstavit 9 ruznych variant
    Naposledy upravil Masster; 12.08.2007 v 21:22.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Standardní Re: G80 - G90 a dalsi novinky

    Muzes nejak dokazat tech kolem 70? Ja ji znam o neco zravejsi.

    http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3335&s=8
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    Tech 80W je samozrejme peak hodnota, takze predpokladam, ze vetsinu casu to bude kolem 70W.

    Naposledy upravil Masster; 12.08.2007 v 22:30.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    NVIDIA G92 GPU has taped out?
    GRAPHICS FIRM Nvidia has taped out chips which it will release later this year in a fresh assault to dominate the market.

    This includes a new king of the hill as well, the almighty G92 - also known as the GeForce "9800". Nvidia is paying quite a lot of attention to thermals and performance of the chip in complex shaders.
    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41694
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    G92 aims for November launch
    A few sources have confirmed that Nvidia already sent out an invitation for November launch of G92, the next generation high end card.

    The big thing about this chip is that it made it at 65 nanometre and that it has a support for PCIe 2.0 interface. Smaller gate size usually means higher clock and lower thermal dissipation and we are certain that this new chip will have significantly more transistors than G80.

    As far as we know G92 is an evolution from G80 chip rather than a revolutionary new thing but will help Nvidia to steal the crown from its G80, Geforce 8 series.

    At the same time Nvidia also plans to launch a new chipset and the hybrid SLI concept so this will be one nice and happy event.
    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2472&Itemid=34
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    GeForce 9800 will be as quiet as a mouse?
    Ever since the GeForceFX debacle, Nvidia has been producing ever quieter graphics cards, and this GeForce "9800" (truth to be told, 8900 moniker might be more appropriate) is another improvement over previous generation product.

    As it turns out, in preliminary audio tests, the new card is more silent than not just 8800Ultra, but it is also less noisy than 8800GTX. It turns out that we are slowly approaching the era of silent monsters - computers that will emit less noise that your typical 15.4-inch laptop.
    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41740
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    G92 gunning for 800 MHz+ clock
    We managed to learn that GPU clock has surpassed 800 MHz and that company plans to deliver the boards depending on yields they will get. So far, launch clock could be anywhere between 800 and 850 MHz, with 812/3, 824/5 and 830/5 being usual suspects. This time around, there is no hurry and Nvidia knows they can afford the launch of GTS/GTX and wait for R680 to show up and launch the Ultra version as a counter attack.
    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41836

    Nvidia's G98 is a mainstream chip
    G98 is the new mainstream part with enhanced and more wide memory controller, going head to head with ATi's own RV670. G98 is all that G83 (8600) was supposed to be, but failed to deliver.
    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41837
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    G92, Geforce 9800 samples in September
    Nvidia is doing the final preparations in order to send the first samples of Geforce 9800 or something that we know as G92 to its high end partners and developers.

    Very few priviledged people will get one that early and if all goes well there will be some G92 cards in some developers and customers PC already in September.

    Nvidia is about to gether a lot of editors to tell them how good the new chips in October and the reviews and the real retail / etail launch is expected in November.
    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2588&Itemid=51
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    G92 might be called Geforce 8950
    The commercial name of the upcoming G92 might be the Geforce 8950 and not 9800 as we reported before.

    Different people were getting different names so at the end Nvidia can change it until it makes the boxes for the cards. As there is still some time the name can change but 8950 sounds like a good option. Traditionally there are two versions a faster GTX and slower GT but we are not sure about these differentiations.
    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2612&Itemid=51

    G92 is DirectX 10.1 chip
    G92 Nvidia’s next generation high end card will support DirectX 10.1. This new itteration of the API wont bring to much but Nvidia is there to supports the upcoming.



    This will be a nice mark on the graphic card box but it wont bring anything at least not in 2007. The real DirectX 10 games have to be launched and 2008 is actually the year of DirectX 10 but this time is yet to come.
    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2610&Itemid=51

    Nvidia partners to go Display Port in 2007
    An industry source have confirmed that the current generation of Nvidia’s G8x cards can and will support Display Port.

    Our sources believe that they will be able to launch a Display port version of Geforce 8x cards this year already.

    The only thing that currently keeps Nvidia’s people to launch a Display port cards is that there is no a single monitor to support Display Port. As soon as the monitors comes out Nvidia and its partners will be ready to make and build them.
    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2613&Itemid=51

    Pokud se potvrdi ta zprava o nazvu G92 GF9850, tak by to mohlo znamenat, ze G90 opravdu existuje a nV si dela misto pro jeji nazev.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Citace Původně odeslal Masster Zobrazit příspěvek
    Performance below 8800GTX, 9k+ in 3DMark06, power consumption below 7900GTX
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    Citace Původně odeslal Yuri Zobrazit příspěvek
    tomuto nejako nechapem. preco by robili slabsiu kartu
    V pripade, ze bude lacna jej vyroba, vykon dostatocny pre vyssi mainstream, nizka spotreba a nasadia tomu dobru cenu, tak zisky budu viac nez dobre. (cisto hypoteticka uvaha) A hlavne si to mozu dovolit, kedze v highende uz takmer rok kraluje G80 a ATi sa nejak neponahla.
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    Citace Původně odeslal Yuri Zobrazit příspěvek
    tomuto nejako nechapem. preco by robili slabsiu kartu
    Ono se totiz dost spekulovalo o tom, ze high-end bude tentokrat dvou-chipovy.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Citace Původně odeslal Masster Zobrazit příspěvek
    Ono se totiz dost spekulovalo o tom, ze high-end bude tentokrat dvou-chipovy.
    Nebo ze ATi i NV ted vyjimecne planuji (poprve v historii) jako prvni vydat MidRange nebo Performance area chipy (R670 / G92) a HighEnd (R680/R700/G90) az nekdy pozdeji. Zatim je to proste cele nejake zmatene.
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    Nvidia to launch 8700
    Nvidia is about to have its first working samples of the card that might end up be called Geforce 8700. The new mainstream chip should be the one we mentioned before codenamed D8M but it can be highly likely that Nvidia has another codename for it, something like G8x.

    The new chip aims to be launched together with G92 in the Novemberish time and this will secure Nvidia’s performance leadership in this market segment.

    If the yields are good Nvidia will have a killer chip as the thermal dissipation of this improved version of G84 core is going to be much better and it will let Nvidia to set the higher clocks.
    Fudzilla
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Latest rumours from HKEPC about G92 and friends :

    - 65nm TSMC.
    - To be launched on November 12th
    - Will replace the 8800 GTS directly, in anticipation of a possible December-ish RV670 launch.
    - There is a G98 ready to compete against a RV620, launch dates still unknown on either of them. Could be a G84 replacement, for a CES 2008 January introduction (hinting at mobile part first, desktop version in late Winter/early Spring).
    - They say it has a "TCCD" memory controller
    - PCI-Express 2.0, DX10.1 (as expected), DisplayPort and HDMI support.
    - Purevideo Generation 3.
    - G92 will remain strictly a "Geforce 8" family member, despite what the codename might have implied.
    HKEPC

    +
    In addition, the company also issued another good news was reported earlier on the face of Nvidia G80, G84 and WEI chip will support DirectX Shader Model 10.1 and 4.1, so that once plagued the market scares of the problem.10.1 Shader Model 4.1.But Nvidia has recently clarified the news, saying the news is rumors, Nvidia said its G80, G84 and the chip is already WEI 10.1 and DirectX 4.1 Shader Model prepare, when Microsoft released DirectX 10.1, Shader Model 4.1, NVIDIA Drivers provide support programs, the problem will be resolved smoothly.
    Hmmmm
    Naposledy upravil Masster; 30.08.2007 v 15:22.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Salty specs of G92 and G98 hit the web
    G92 will have a 256-bit memory interface, will work at 740 MHz (core) and will have 64 Stream Processors. The G92 would have 512MB of GDDR3 memory clocked at 1800MHz and a TDP between the 7900GS and the 7900GTX (quite a large gap).

    The card's price would be from $249 to $299 and it would score around 9700 points in 3DMark06 on a system powered by an Intel QX6700 (4 cores at 2.66 GHz).

    As for the G98, it would have only 32 Stream processors (like the G84), a 256-bit memory interface, a core clock of 800 MHz, a TDP a little higher than the 8600GTS and a price tag hovering between $169 and $199, making it whether a replacement for the 8600GTS or the card to bring the price of the 8600GTS down close to the price of the Radeon HD 2600XT. This one would score about 7400 in 3DMark06 on the same, CPU-only configuration.
    http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=15946&catid=2

    Zacinam byt opravdu hodne zvedav, co opravdu uvidime v listopadu, protoze ty specifikace k odhadovanym vysledkum opravdu moc nesedi.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Nvidia G92 is GeForce 8700 GTS
    VR-Zone has learned more about the upcoming Nvidia G92 where the official marketing name is most likely to be GeForce 8700 GTS. As revealed earlier, G92 is 65nm based and has 256-bit memory bus width. The reference 8700 GTS card has 8-layer PCB and comes with 512MB GDDR3 1ns memories so the memory clock of G92 is estimated to be between 900Mhz to 1GHz. Core clock is unknown yet.
    http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5236

    Na jednu stranu me tohle bavi pozorovat, ale kdyby nebyl novy high-end, to by byla skoda
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Citace Původně odeslal Masster Zobrazit příspěvek
    Na jednu stranu me tohle bavi pozorovat, ale kdyby nebyl novy high-end, to by byla skoda
    Evidentne ATi i NV planuji udelat to, co se mi vubec nelibi. Novy HighEnd, tedy nejaka 8950GX2(?) bude zrejme 2xG92 na jednom PCB a stejne tak i ATi planuji dual-chip kartu. Sice mi sou jasne duvody, ale mrzi me to radne. Osobne sem se tesil na plnohodnotnou jednochipovou G90 s oznacenim 9800GTX a vykonem kolem 1TF
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    Nvidia G92 Card is 9-inch Long
    VR-Zone learned that G92 reference card is 9-inch long, same length as the GeForce 8800 GTS but it is single slot. The PCB version is P393. The 1ns DDR3 memories are arranged in 16Mx32x8PCS array. The card has outputs like HDTV, HDCP, DVI, but no display port yet. Expect some interesting PCB and cooler designs from the card makers at launch.
    VR-Zone

    Nvidia G98 on 64-bit bus to counter RV620
    VR-Zone got to know that G98 is positioned as a low end GPU and is meant to replace the current G86 (8400 GS) series. G98 supports PCIe 2.0, 64-bit memory bus and will have 256MB of 2.5ns GDDR2 memories. Memory clock is at 800MHz. Performance is expected to be in between G84 and G86 and is meant to compete against ATi RV620, which is 64-bit too.
    VR-Zone
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Nvidia G92 is D8P, Priced $199-249
    G92 is also known as "D8P" which stands for Desktop 8 Performance and the marketing name is GeForce 8700 GTS as revealed earlier. There will be 2 variants; 512MB and 256MB. The 512MB version costs US$249 while the 256MB version costs US$199. The G92 cards will be using either Qimonda or Hynix 1ns GDDR3 memories
    VR-Zone

    Nvidia G98 Card To Price Cheaply At $59
    Nvidia G98 is also codenamed D8M which stands for Desktop 8 Mainstream will come cheap at US$59. This G98 card will come even cheaper than the current GeForce 8400 GS with only 4 layer PCB. It is meant to put further pressure on ATi low end segment with the RV610 and the upcoming RV620.
    VR-Zone
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    G92 is the high end solution
    There has been a lot of talk about G92 and many sites reported that this chip is a mainstream part. Our well informed sources have confirmed our previous allegation that G92 is a high end. It should be a faster clocked revised version of the G80 core at 65 nanometre and it should launch in mid November. The G98 is also the real codename and that is the 65 nanometre version of the G86 the 80 nanometre entry level chip. 65 nanometre will help Nvidia to make its production cheaper and the chips cooler. There will be one more G9x chips on 65 nanometre and we believe that G96 is the name. Time will tell.
    Fudzilla

    Bud se nVidii opravdu dari mlzit nebo si z nas nekdo dela srandu
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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    Bud se nVidii opravdu dari mlzit nebo si z nas nekdo dela srandu
    Nebo oboji dohromady OMG!
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    Takze to byla evidentne chyba Fuada. Jak jinak, ze

    Asi uz mu nekdo "poradil" a sam se zacina priklanet na moznost vyssiho mainstreamu ve forme G92.

    G92 might be a high mainstream part

    Our sources now believe that G92 is the 65 nanometre version that is set to replace 8600GTS and that it can easily be branded as the 8700 card. This card should be faster than GTS but slower than 8800 GTS cards and it should cost between 200 and $250 at launch.

    If this is true this means that there won't be a Geforce 8800GTX / Ultra replacement in this year.
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    Citace Původně odeslal AnarchX
    8 Clusters, 6 ROP-Partition and a VP2?


    And this slide seems to say, all GeForce8 supports DX10.1(via driver update):
    source

    Opet zminka podpory DX10.1 pres driver update. Tak uz to vypada, ze to mysli vazne.
    But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy

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