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Téma: !! JE TO TU!! VIA Potvrdila ze KT400 nepodporuje delicku 1/6

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    Standardní !! JE TO TU!! VIA Potvrdila ze KT400 nepodporuje delicku 1/6

    No prave som cital clanok z www.overclockers.com :

    What was supposed to be a reason to buy a KT400 board was the presence of a /6 PCI divisor. That way, you could try to run at over 200MHz FSB while keeping the overclock of your hard drive and PCI devices down to reasonable levels.

    If you don't know why PCI speed is important in overclocking, please read this

    Now we find out from Abit, which "offers" a /6 divisor, that it doesn't and can't work.

    To quote:

    "Clock generator on AT7-MAX2 / KD7 do support 1/6 PCI divider; however, VIA has confirmed that KT400 chipset does not support 1/6 PCI divider even the clock generator can support it. This is the chipset limitation and can not be solved by motherboard vendors."

    In the past, we've noted approvingly that at least the KD7 offered a /6 divisor, since its manual said so. This is obviously not so, and we apologize for assuming that Abit wouldn't make false statements about such things in their KD7 manual (in fact, the manual available at their Taiwanese website still says it is available).

    But they did.

    They have company, though.

    The manual for the Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra says the same thing, and it was revised less than two weeks ago.

    It is difficult to believe that Abit and Soyo did not know they had a feature that didn't work.

    It's brazen to describe it in the manual when they know that it doesn't.

    How Did The Review Sites Do?

    Per Neoseeker, the only place that reviewed the board was T-Break, which did catch this

    The Soyo board has been reviewed more often, but only Lost Circuits caught the problem. The others do not seem to have tested it.

    What To Do?

    Obviously, if you want to run at over 200MHz, and don't want to take a high risk of PCI devices not functioning at that speed, hard drives scrambling themselves, nice things like that, you'd better not buy a KT400. Wait to see if the nForce2 offers a /6 divisor.

    Per Soyo and Abit offering what they at least should have known they couldn't deliver, what do you think should be done?

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    Pomyslel som si ze je to snad sen co sa v tom clanku pise. Ak to je pravda tak VIA to dost prehnala...najprv pise ze delicka 1/6 je čipsetom podporovana a potom povie ze nie. Skoda dosky pouzivaju PLL-IC ktore dokaze bez problemov 1/6 delicku...a nakoniec chispset nie (to by ma nenapadlo ani v sne).

    Uvidime ako sa toto vyvinie...predsa je to lne prva sprava ...ale nie je to nic moc.
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    Jestli to je pravda taxi to VIA pekne po..
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    Zrejme proto, pokud vim, chce VIA vyrukovat s chipsetem 400A.

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    hmm,takže je prakticky jedno,kterou desku vyberu to čtvrtka.
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    2Dodrf: mas dost velku pravdu...VIA ten KT400 dost odflakla...podla mna ten 400A (aj je dana informacia a nefunkcnosti delicky v KT400 pravdiva) je teda viac ako realne ze bude. EPOX by mohol asi radsej pockat
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    Pokud je to tak pak nechápu proč s tímto chipsetem vůbec vycházeli. Sakra těžko v tom hledat něco jinýho než snahu poškodit spotřebitele
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    2 JOHN: No prečo asi ? No aby zarobili na tých, čo sa na to ulakomia...
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    Fuk-it, aspon zhe som nekupil teraz dosku ako som mal v plane, dobre vediet. Iba dufam, zhe info o revizii 400A budu coskoro splnene aby som mal lahsie rozhodovanie
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    Citace Původně odeslal LtK
    2 JOHN: No prečo asi ? No aby zarobili na tých, čo sa na to ulakomia...
    Jo jasně vždyt to jsem myslel tim poškozením spotřebitele
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    Kua tak musime pozhanat grafiky a disky co idu na PCI 50-60 a AGP 70-90

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    No mozno moja grafika, ktora dostava na AGP 2.1V by to mozno zniesla
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    Standardní Re: !! JE TO TU!! VIA Potvrdila ze KT400 nepodporuje delicku

    Citace Původně odeslal GABO
    No prave som cital clanok z www.overclockers.com :

    What was supposed to be a reason to buy a KT400 board was the presence of a /6 PCI divisor. That way, you could try to run at over 200MHz FSB while keeping the overclock of your hard drive and PCI devices down to reasonable levels.

    If you don't know why PCI speed is important in overclocking, please read this

    Now we find out from Abit, which "offers" a /6 divisor, that it doesn't and can't work.

    To quote:

    "Clock generator on AT7-MAX2 / KD7 do support 1/6 PCI divider; however, VIA has confirmed that KT400 chipset does not support 1/6 PCI divider even the clock generator can support it. This is the chipset limitation and can not be solved by motherboard vendors."

    In the past, we've noted approvingly that at least the KD7 offered a /6 divisor, since its manual said so. This is obviously not so, and we apologize for assuming that Abit wouldn't make false statements about such things in their KD7 manual (in fact, the manual available at their Taiwanese website still says it is available).

    But they did.

    They have company, though.

    The manual for the Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra says the same thing, and it was revised less than two weeks ago.

    It is difficult to believe that Abit and Soyo did not know they had a feature that didn't work.

    It's brazen to describe it in the manual when they know that it doesn't.

    How Did The Review Sites Do?

    Per Neoseeker, the only place that reviewed the board was T-Break, which did catch this

    The Soyo board has been reviewed more often, but only Lost Circuits caught the problem. The others do not seem to have tested it.

    What To Do?

    Obviously, if you want to run at over 200MHz, and don't want to take a high risk of PCI devices not functioning at that speed, hard drives scrambling themselves, nice things like that, you'd better not buy a KT400. Wait to see if the nForce2 offers a /6 divisor.

    Per Soyo and Abit offering what they at least should have known they couldn't deliver, what do you think should be done?

    ************************************************** ********

    Pomyslel som si ze je to snad sen co sa v tom clanku pise. Ak to je pravda tak VIA to dost prehnala...najprv pise ze delicka 1/6 je čipsetom podporovana a potom povie ze nie. Skoda dosky pouzivaju PLL-IC ktore dokaze bez problemov 1/6 delicku...a nakoniec chispset nie (to by ma nenapadlo ani v sne).

    Uvidime ako sa toto vyvinie...predsa je to lne prva sprava ...ale nie je to nic moc.
    supr tak co vlastne je na kt400 noveho??
    velká bedna pod stolem s C2D a ATi....

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    to je zase hlupy mezikrok jako u KT266
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    Tie medzikroky mi uz lezu poriadne na nervy
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