kazdopadne tomu co bych se docetl v levelu bych neveril ani za tisicovku.. ale toms hardware jo..![]()
kazdopadne tomu co bych se docetl v levelu bych neveril ani za tisicovku.. ale toms hardware jo..![]()
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Osobne si myslim, ze trend davat do grafarny porad nove technologie ala ps 3.0 i kdyz hry na ne budou tak za 1-2 roky je spatny. Vzdyt prvni hra ktera ma vyuzit shadery 3.0 bude snad Unreal 3 a ten bude venku kdy? Za 2 roky? Opravdu si tady nekdo mysli, ze v te dobe bude FX6800Utra stale super vykonna karta? Nic proti Nvidii, ale jejich implementace shaderu 3.0 mi zavani pouhym marketingovym trikem. V tomto pripade mi prijde lepsi pristup Ati tj.soustredim se na technologie co jsou momentalne venku, zamakat na nich a poradne navysit hruby vykon. IMHO.
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este raz si pozri specifikaciu kariet ktore porovnavas.6800GT a 6800Ultra maju 16 pipeline takisto ako najrychlejsia Ati X800XT.Původně odeslal MadCap
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no když se kounknu na testy, tak né jenom v tomPůvodně odeslal sofokless
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padlo tu slovo o nejakej GT alebo Ultra? ani niePůvodně odeslal Chodec
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2 hombre: A co tak sa pozret tu do threadu Far cry video s shaderama 3.0 to nieje 1 as 2 roky , to je priam sucastnost.
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jj, je zaujimave ako Atinaci brania svoje nove dietatkoKed si zoberes uz aj posrata Matrox Parhelia ma veci z Shaderov 3.0 a dokaze poondeny displacement maping
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A tu hle vlajkova lod Ati a vie ho.vno
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PS3 je proste budoucnost at se vam to libi nebo ne a sem rad, ze NVIDIA je porad technologicky o krok napred. To ze NVIDIA implementovala podporu PS3 uz ted znamena ze se s tim nebude muset potykat pri vyvoji dalsi generace karet, protoze budou nejspis castecne postavene na technologii NV40. Jak uz tady bylo receno Unreal 3 neni jediny engine, ktery ma podporovat PS3, v nejblizsi dobe ma vyjit nekolik her, ktere budou vyuzivat PS3, napr. Stalker, Vampire: Bloodlines, Splinter Cell "3",
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But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy
Uz si to tu spominal niekolkokrat a nechcel som do toho vrtat, ale teraz si ma zase dostal... Ja by som Ta nechcel sklamat, no zatial ziadna karta na trhu od ATI alebo NVIDIE nepodporuje (true) HW displacement mapping (je to ironia, ale naozaj je ta Parhelia najblizsie, ale to je uz na dlhsiu diskusiu). Nato potrebujes dynamicky generovat geometriu (vrcholy) - teda teselovat povrchy. To Ti ale ani VS 3.0 neponuka... takze sorry. V pripade NV40 to budu nejake aproximacie ako parallax/height mapping...Původně odeslal Semik
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FajnJa som si to vask nevycucal s prsta ... Ked Andrey Khonich – Crytek, Makers of Far Cry vravy ze s shadermi GF 6800ky ide displacement maping pohodlne spravit. On to musi vediet nie
(a aj ich vyuziva uz v spominanej ...bla..bla)
Dokaze to R420 bez straty vykonuaspon v 6800kovej kvalite ? (ak to neni 100% displa...)
Nazyvat si to moze ako chce... faktom ostava, ze ani R420 ani NV40 nepodporuju HW (true) displacement mapping. Mozu ho emulovat/aproximovat inymi technikami, ale to je tak vsetko. To je rovnake zneuzivanie pojmov ako napr. teraz kritizovane trilinearne optimalizacie od ATI. Aj oni by to radi volali true trilinear, aj ked to tak uplne nie je...Původně odeslal Semik
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Mno na 3dcenter.de som sa docital toto : Mittels einer Zwei-Pass-Lösung erlaubt der NV40 brauchbares Displacement-Mapping. Das ist ganz nett, aber nicht das Ende der Entwicklung.
Takze ide o Displacement-Mapping to ze neni podla teba pravy je irelevantne... NV40 (GF6800) ho vie a moze ho podla potreby aj pouzit. Takze by som nepoukazoval na to o aku formu ide, ale ci nejaky hardwerovo dokaze. Mno a to X800 hardwerovo nedokaze vobec.
(Skratene - Ak Disc... vyvojari zapracuju do hry na 6800ke ho mas ... na X800 ke nie ... o nic viac nejde.)
pani toto je typicke vymyvanie mozgov
nvidia teraz robi tazky marketing s vs a ps 3.0, lebo to je jedine co ma oproti x800, keby to bolo naopak, tak presne to iste robi ati
stale sa omiela, ze zachvilu bude to, co bude vyuzivat ps a vs tisicstopatsto, kupte si to, lebo inak bude vsetko na hovno
ked to budem mat na disku a uvidim, potom uverim, dovtedy su to kecy, ktore tu uz nie raz boli
Don't argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
No, budem koncit lebo toto nikam nevedie... Preco do toho musis vzdy tahat temu R420 x NV40? Som myslel, ze sa bavime cisto o technologiach & pojmoch. Ten clanok na 3dcenter.org som si pozrel a z toho vagneho popisu naozaj netusim, co mal aths na mysli. Ale aths sa vyzna, takze natom zrejme nieco bude - kazdopadne ja by som to DM nenazyval. Ja Ti rovnako mozem ponuknut tento thread na beyond3d.com, kde sa velmi znali clenovia (bloodbob, John Reynolds, ...) vyjadrili presne opacne. A tento dodatok od aths tiez o nieco svedci:Původně odeslal Semik
Howgh.Původně odeslal aths
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omg Level to ma z tomshardwarePůvodně odeslal Kostihouse
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Ale prd FarCry nepodporuje PS 3.0 to byly jen keciPůvodně odeslal JUVS
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At je třeba o tři roky napřed technolgicky ale výkonem bude pořád druháPůvodně odeslal Masster
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Vykonem druha urcite neni, dokazuje to nejen prvenstvi v 3DMark 2003, ale i vetsina testu na internetu, prohledni si testy na renomovanych strankach, ne toms hardware tam opravdu nepocitamPůvodně odeslal d00mgiv3r
Vetsina testu je proste vyrovnana, v jedne hre vede R420 a v dalsi NV40, vychazi to tak pul na pul
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A Far Cry nepodporuje PS3 pouze zatim, patch uz je hotovy a mel by brzy vyjit, kdyz bys mel nainstalovane DirectX 9.0C a 6800-cku tak si ho uz muzes s trochou stesti pri hledani stahnout![]()
But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy
I kdyby měl ve 3dmarku2003 vic jako že nemá( jo aby zase lamky od NV nemusely zase podvadetPůvodně odeslal Masster
)... na to ja s.eru... je to beru podle výkone ve hrach
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Novy rekord v Aquamarku 3
Ja rikal, ze tech 100 padneUz je to blizko.
Jeste si nemuzu odpustit foto jeho sestavy, jeste sem nic takoveho nevidel, ten clovek je opravdu blazen.
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But of course, the unlimited evilness of the ultimate tool of mischief, the universal explanation for sucky performance from anything other than nVidia, TWIMTBP, strikes again. The shenanigans know no bounds....luckily, in this sea of pain and anguish,the shining beacon of light and righteousness, ATi, stand, with their Get in the Game program that they managed so badly(because they`re not evil like nV, see, so they couldn`t actually have a program where they worked really close with devs, pushing their tech into their stuff) that no game is part of it. - Morgoth the Dark Enemy
Vystihnul jsi to dobre, Parhelia je "posrata" co se vykonu ve hrach tyce. Jinak koukam, ze docela bastis marketingove reci Nvidie. Az na to budou hry, pak se uvidi. Btw jak dlouho je venku DX9 a kolik poradnych DX9 her je? Jinak jsem rad,ze fandis Nvidii a to presto ze doma hudlis na PS2Původně odeslal Semik
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jj, moc k srdcu mi to neleze , ale fandim tomu kdo prinasa nove technologieTak ako fandim AMD s ich 64-bit procikmi fandim u grafik momentalne Nvidii
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Inac sam na PC nehravam, ako vravis na to mam lepsiu masinku![]()
Tebou zminovanou "lepsiu masinku" coz je ve skutecnosti hw stary 3 roky doma mam taktez. Nicmene na PC se jaksi nechyta,ale da se rict, ze z toho minima zdimaji maximumPůvodně odeslal Semik
Nove technologie jsou fajn, k cemu jsou ale dobre, kdyz nemaji prakticke vyuziti? Opet jsi dal dobry priklad a to Athlon 64. Zatim je taky celkem k nicemu.
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lolec procpak to mas jen s X800ProPůvodně odeslal Masster
ne ze bych chtel verzi Pro pohrosovat ale 12Pipek vs 16 je trochu nevyrovnany.... tak sem hod test vs X800XT s 4xFSAA a 8x/16x Aniso a uvidimě kdo bude na 1st place
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Protoze vidim jak pojedes nakou hru bez vyhlazovaní ...
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Athlon64 to se me taky týkaPůvodně odeslal Hombre-CZ-
ale to sem napatří
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