Vše o ABIT KW7-KT880

[1radar]

Tak tu máme konečně další verzi s KT880 pro procesory Sock. A
Ještě by se mohl objevit EPOX a byl bych úplně nadšenej
Ale tím nechci rozepisovat OT, ale shrnout zde PRO a PROTI nové desce od ABITU v jednom threadu...

1. otázka bude asi ta hlavní, která bude mít největší vliv na prodej této desky: Má PCI/AGP uzamknutí sběrnice? Prosím jen ověřené odpovědi.
Pozor:Nemusí se vždy nacházet pod položkou PCI/AGP lock,jak jsou mnozí zvyklí z nForce...

2. jaké má přetaktovávací možnosti a stabilitu tato deska s Award biosem?(Díky za ten AWARD..)

[svaca]

1. FSB do 250MHz
2. Chipset voltage 1.5-1.65
3. CPU core - AUTO, 8,12,18 procent !!!!
4. VDIMM core - 2.6 - 3.2 V

+ neomezena nastaveni pameti a AGP ... opravdu huge !!! )

Bohuzel nenasel jsem v BIOSu manualni nastaveni AGP/PCI, takze jsem ten lock nenasel .... nerikam, ze tam neni, al ja ho nenasel ...

[Gordon_Freeman]

2 Svaca: Ja mam len otazku ake najmensie napatie sa da nastavit do tvojho Athlona XP-M. Na auto tam pusta napatie podla VID xp-m alebo 1.65V ako z klasickeho atlona. Dik

[svaca]

Deska umi i 1.4V, ale pousti tam defaultne 1.575V (takovou voltaz mel treba tbreb A0 urcite revize) takze ne podle VID, ale neni problem ject v tom rozmezi 1,4V-cokoliv ... Ja obobne bych tam vic jak 1.75V nedal ...

[Gordon_Freeman]

Mohol by si prosim ta este napisat co za zvukovka a sietovka su tam pouzite? A tym 3. CPU core - AUTO, 8,12,18 procent !!!!
asi nemyslis voltaz, lebo si ju vysvetlil inac, co to je?

[svaca]

Zvuk realtek, klasika a LAN VIA ... klasika ...

Voltazi jsem myslem, ze kdyz je default napajeni treba 1.65, tak muzes pridat 8 nebo 12 nebo 18 procent NAVIC ....

[patka]

Mate uz nekdo prakticke zkusenosti s touhle deskou? Resim ted jednoduchou otazku Asus A7V880 vs Abit KW7. Nevim, jestli pocet resenych problemu s Asusem tady je vyhoda nebo nevyhoda /az se neco po... , tak budu mit kde hledat /?
Ale to, ze tady nejsou zadne problemy s tim Abitem, bude tim, ze ho asi moc lidi jeste nema, a nebo se mylim?

[svaca]

V pondeli budu delat dva, dam vedet .... Osobne si ale myslim, ze bude lepsi nez Asus, jako ostatne vsechny desky od Abit pro socketA

[patka]

V pondeli budu delat dva, dam vedet .... Osobne si ale myslim, ze bude lepsi nez Asus, jako ostatne vsechny desky od Abit pro socketA

tak jak?

[svaca]

Ani se neptej .... Dodavatel poslal omylem KV7 !!!
Takze musim pockat na novou varku .... Asi nevi, ze existuje dvojite V.....

[1radar]

Ani se neptej .... Dodavatel poslal omylem KV7 !!!
Takze musim pockat na novou varku .... Asi nevi, ze existuje dvojite V.....

Tak jak? Uz ji mas?

[Hezo]

No tak môžem mat túto dosku za 1900 sk, nova v zaruke. oplati sa mi to ked mam teraz Abit KD7 dik

[Hezo]

Ako je mozne ze na Abit KD7 mi idemenit multiplikator a na KW7 Nejde?

[Hrochoslon]

Ako je mozne ze na Abit KD7 mi idemenit multiplikator a na KW7 Nejde?

s tim samym procakem? na jedne desce to funguje na druhe ne?
nebo v biosu tu funkci vubec nemas

[Xima]

Ako je mozne ze na Abit KD7 mi idemenit multiplikator a na KW7 Nejde?

s tim samym procakem? na jedne desce to funguje na druhe ne?
nebo v biosu tu funkci vubec nemas

obecne u novych desek se s timto nepocita, protoze procaky jsou proste lockly a inzenyri jsou plesnivi pac nepocitaji ze by nekdo nekdy mohl cpat solidni (rozumej unlock) procesor do jejich neuveritelnych pokrokovych vytvoru

[Xima]

No tak môžem mat túto dosku za 1900 sk, nova v zaruke. oplati sa mi to ked mam teraz Abit KD7 dik

A vubec - KD7 je jedna z nejpovedenejsich veci co jsem na socA videl, takze ja bych nemenil

[Hezo]

ano s tym istym procesorom, je to barton 2500+ je odomknuty a tu ponuku v biose mam len , je tam aj napisane, ale ked dam user define, idementi len zbernica. preco. netreba nejako fyzicky odomknut multi na tom bartone. akoze kd7 vie sama odomknut procak a kw7 nie

[1radar]

Já mám za to, že u Bartonů je multiplikátor zamčený. To by někdo musel přemalovat můstky, aby šel nastavovat...
Jo a jak je to s asynchronní sběrnicí. Zůstane AGP a PCI stejný, jestliže zvedáš FSB? Zkoušel jsis to ověřit nějakým diagnostickým programem?

[Hrochoslon]

Já mám za to, že u Bartonů je multiplikátor zamčený. To by někdo musel přemalovat můstky, aby šel nastavovat...
Jo a jak je to s asynchronní sběrnicí. Zůstane AGP a PCI stejný, jestliže zvedáš FSB? Zkoušel jsis to ověřit nějakým diagnostickým programem?

jisty bartony odemceny sou.. da se to zjistit podle data vyroby. tusim do konce roku 2003 .. pak uz sou jen superlockly kerym se da multi menit jen eaglovou metodou po predelani na mobile

[Hezo]

No a uz som z toho zufaly. Zistil som ze oproti manualu co bol k tej doske mi tam chyba v biose , v polozke soft menu polozka Disable Unused PCI Clock. No a ten Barton je na 100% odomknuty, pretoze na tej KD7 mi isiel menit multiplier !!! No a ked nastavim polozku user define aby som si mohol menit nastavenia procaku, tak to vyzea asi takto
FSB Frequency - povolene, mozem menit
Ratio (FSB:AGP:PCI) - je to zmrazene - nemozem menit
CPU Multiplier - je to tiez zmrazene - nemozem menit
musi v tom byt nejaka finta pretoze aj keby bol lockinuty (co na 100% nie je) tak aspon to Ratio (FSB:AGP:PCI) by malo ist menit !!!

*a este jedna vec. v manuali pisu ze sa da menit FSB od 100 do 250 a mne tam ukazeuje len od 100 do 200.

[pipp]

mam asi spatnou zpravu. v manualu je psany:

* Ratio (FSB:AGP:PCI):
This item displays the ratio among the clock of FSB, AGP, and PCI. Take the 4:2:1 ratio for instance, if the FSB clock is 133MHz (133 x 4/4), the AGP clock will be 66MHz (133 x 2/4), and the PCI clock will be 33MHz (133 x 1/4).

* Multiplier Factor:
This item displays the multiplier factor of the CPU you installed.

z cehoz se obavam plyne, ze tyto dve polozky pouze informace sdeluji, ale ovlinit je nelze
chtel jsem si tohle prkno poridit, ale toto me trochu rozhodilo. ne ze by mne vadilo, kdyby AGP lock nahodou nejel, ale koupit si prkno s tim, ze vim, ze budu muset dratovat abych mohl zmenit nasobic me uplne nelaka.

[pipp]

tak jsem jeste trochu hledal a vlezl jsem i na Abit forum a resili to tam taky. tady je vysledek:

KW7's are now out. They aren't MAXFID (no multiplier adjustment), but they're reported to be very stable.

otazkou je, jestli moznost menit nasobic nezpristupni treba nejakym novejsim biosem na zadost lidi, ale kdo vi

z Abit fora:

some people in taiwan have bought KW7. One of them said that he couldn't change the multiplier in softmenu. I hope it is not ture!!!!

Ok, got the board....

Nice package....Manuals....cables (By the way, had to use the cables with the motherboard or got drive corruption during XP Install). Back output coverplate.....Good to go. I got another stick of 512 MB HyperX Low latency to go with the one I have to do dual channel.....


Entered BIOS....Softmenu...Hmm...the FSB only goes from 133 to 199....Not 250 as stated (Bug! Fix it please!)....I can't change the multiplier or set the PCI ratios.....Hmm....Fix this too, please...

So I'm running my 2500 (unlocked...it was completely over clockable on my KV7...can't do it at the moment...the board locks when I try to set the FSB higher than 166) at 2500 Barton speeds.....The machine was a breeze to install and set up, once I figured out the cables on my seagate drives either went bad when I took it off the KV7 (Doubtful....These are also cables supplied with the seagate drives, not the KV7), or something about the cables the board didn't like....I think they learned some things from the KV7....It's phoenix award bios....kind of odd (especially in the DRAM area .... a LOT of things I have never seen before there) looking.....but stable as heck so far....temps are way down from the KV7 (And not just because of the normal clock....)....I can't tell you exactly what they are, as I can't remote log in for some reason...

Mine arrived too and I am dealing with similar frustrations and more. I started out using my Athlon Mobile 2400+ and it detected it with a fsb of 100 and multiplier of 6 - basically it didn't recognize it. Wouldn't let me change it beyond 133fsb and no multiplier or ratio changes available.

From there I swapped it out with my older Barton 2500+ that has run at 3200+ since day one at stock voltage. KW7 detected it properly as 2500+ but same situation where I can't really go any higher. FSB will adjust to 199 in bios, but doesn't actually run that high as the agp/pci ratios are still not adjustable, stay at stock levels overclocking the bus. So, currently I am running my Barton at stock levels.

Noticed like the other person that the manual states I can run the fsb up to 250 and/or change the multiplier - but that is a no-go right now. No matter what setting, the multiplier and ratio settings are greyed out and unadjustable.

This really sucks as the RAID benchmarks using my 36gb raptors are fantastic. General system runs very snappy too. Just pissed that I can't go back to 2.2ghz or higher as I could on NF7s.

Abit (or anyone else for this matter), please please change the bios to allow fsb, multiplier and ratio changes as advertised. I don't even mind that the agp/pci doesn't lock - just want them at the right ratio and 200 mhz fsb. This would be a really good board if it worked like this.

One last note, found that the non G version of this board does not have firewire. Gigabit lan is not the only difference.

Yea, I like mine too and will be keeping it. I was getting kind of bored with my NF2 boards and not ready to jump onto the 64 bit bandwagon yet. I have done fresh installs on this board twice now using different components. Found out one thing, it runs stable as can be with my ti4200 video card but is full of problems when using my Radeon 9600. The only way I can get it to run movies and games properly with the radeon is to uninstall the via agp driver, which really sucks the performance out of this card. Apparently this is a fairly well known problem with the via chipset motherboards though as I had no problems finding a lot of info on the matter. Fortunately, said radeon runs fine in my nf7s and A7n8x so that is where it will be staying.

Positive points are that the via raid is awesome and the system just feels snappy. So much so that the KW7 running at 1.8ghz feels just as fast as my nf7s/xp mobile/raptor setup that is running at 2.5ghz. And this is using raided Maxtors with slower access times. Once again, sure wish that I could turn this thing up to 11x200!

Another positive is that the onboard sound is really very good. The alc658 chip is the same as I have used on an AN7 but on this motherboard the sound is much cleaner. Really susprised me as I normally use an M-audio Revolution 7.1 for sound, but the kw7 onboard audio is really close when playing mp3's. This is when running through a Cambridge Audio Azur 640a integrated amp and some nice B&W speakers.

At this point my only real disappointment is the lack of bios options and that it doesn't appear there are going to be many people buying this motherboard. I am afraid that Abit might skip doing any bios updates due to lack of interest. I have called and written but gotten no response. Kind of ticks me off since I know this chipset can support these options, as proven by the Asus A7V880.

Wish I knew more about modifiying a bios!

Hey dog,

Wasn't trying to rub salt in the wound, just pointing-out another indicator (MaxFID) that the board wasn't engineered for multiplier/ratio adjustment. That's the "feature" they advertise for those functions.

I'm guessing the motherboard marries the frequency range to the processor, i.e. like VA-10, you get 133-165 for an FSB 133 processor. That's why your stuck in range.

Has anyone tried the CROM1 jumper to see if you can fool the board to the higher frequency on initial (cleared CMOS) and Bios setup? Just a thought....

Edit: Also, tried editing the 11 Bios to see if the "Displayed" multiplier and ratio had hidden adjustment. They don't, so it's not a normal Bios function that's simply hidden.

Edit2: Just wondering if they decided to do this because all current production Socket A desktop processors are LOCKED.

sorry, ze je to tak dlouhy, ale prislo mi to vcelku zajimavy a jsou v tom odpovedi asi na vsechny dotazy.
udajne v tistenych manualech je napsany, ze hodnoty "Ratio (FSB:AGP:PCI)" a "Multiplier Factor" se daji menit (je tam "sets" ne "displays"), takze to je teoreticka moznost proc to reklamovat a poridit si jiny prkno, ktery umoznuje nasobic menit. a pozor deska KV7-V trpi stejnym neduhem jako KW7

celou diskuzi najdete tady

[Hezo]

dik za ochotu, dost si mi pomohol. ale teraz som váne nasraný, čo je moc to je moc. abit si týmto určite pokazildobré meno. ale myslim si ze budu nuteny vydat opravny bios, co sa tyka aj toho ze frekvencia ide nastavovat len do 200 a nie do 250. dufam ze to vsetko daju na spravnu mieru. alebo nejaky bios by mohol vyjst, nie oficilne od abitu.

[pipp]

neni zac. sam jsem si chtel tohle prkno koupit, ale takhle asi tezko. kdybych vedel, ze se to s nejakym novym biosem zmeni, tak bych do toho sel. ale Abit s tim nejspis nepocita
tak uvazuju, jestli jit do Abit KV7 nebo Asus A7V880. ma vubec KT880 nejakej smysl?

[Hezo]

aj tak nechapem, aky to ma vyznam, dat dam tu polozku a vypnut jej funkciu. znemoznit menit multip. dufam ze to fak opravia. inak vobec sa mi nemesti dôvod do hlavy. preco to spravili, a este aj Abit. ved takato znacka je znama tym, ze ma bohaty bios na nastavovacky. a predsa kt880 si nikdo nebud kupovat do kancelarie, taketo dosky si kupuju (moj nazor) skusenejsi uzivatelia, mozno aj overcllockeri, a oni spravia toto