Cathar - Storm G4 - detaili fotky + teorie

[trodas]

Tak, tady najdete fotky:

http://www.ngtechnik.com/Storm/Full/

...a tadyhle povidani o tom, co a jak a proc je na stormovi jinak nez na cascade:

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&postcount=149

(to na avatarku je jeho starsi dcera )

Enjoy

[Edward Ng]

Hey, Jiri!

I found you!!!

[trodas]

That is kind of easy anyway

[MadCap]

stare verim ze radek posle tomu srandistovi na procoolingu svoj blok na test a uvidi sa ci cathar kecal kraviny ked vravel ze to chladi horsie ako original cascade, podla toho co som sa bavil s radkom tak storm vobec nie je nejak zvlast inovativny, hlavne ze sa tak kratko vyraba a pritom stoji HROZNE vela ..
btw Edward Ng are you going to review the storm or you are just an owner?

[trodas]

Storm je, narodil od cascady, este restriktivnejsi a asi proto chladi i o neco lepe. Cele to kouzlo je v tech "rozvirovacich vystupcich" (jak lepe prelozit "disruprot pins"?!) a osobne si myslim, ze kdyby se Radkova cascada trosku upravila, ze bude chladit daleko lepe...

...vtip je v tom, ze Cathar si uvedomil, ze chlazeni neni vse. Cascada chladi ti lepe, cim tensi je ta spodni vrstvicka - cim blize se voda dostane k CPU. Problem je v tom, ze mezi temi otvory pak vznikaji horka mista, a presne tahle horka mista ovlivnuji maximalni dosazitelny overclock. Proto ma treba Storm tlustsi zakladnu - mohl by chladit o nejaky ten stupen lepe, ale maximalni overclock by byl s nim pak horsi
Myslim, ze jsem to napsal tak, ze je to da snadno pochopit - eg. proc je potreba urcita tloustka spodku chladice, aby dobre rozvedl teplo a nevznikaly studene a horke mista, jako u cascady...



Ja hlavne doufam, ze RadekB ( http://radekb.wz.cz ) zkusi cascadu malicko poupravit a poslat ji na test (uz jsem to domluvil, jde jen o to, kdy se k tomu dostane ) a jak ten test dopadne

Jinak cascada by se dala dost optimalizovat, ale vzdy bude dost restriktivni. Zajimavy je proto treba ten Swiftech blok - ma uplne jiny, pinovy design a chladi skoro stejne tak dobre - a - nelimituje protok! Jak si muzete vsimnout, Strom konci na 1.85GPM (galons per minute - to je presne 7litrů za minutu, neboli 420l/h), zatimco Catharova cascada to dotahla na 2GPM (454l/h) a ta spesl stribrna na 2.2GPM (500l/h) - coz je ovsem stale docela restriktivni - naproti tomu MCW6002 ci Maze4 od DangerDenu nemaji zadne problemy s 2.25GPM (568l/h) a propustili by urcite vice, jen testovaci zarizeni vice neda (vase pumpa prevdepodobne take ne...)

Cesky receno - kdyz vezmu MCW6002 a Storma, tak Strom mi da o 1C nizsi teplotu CPU, ale na GPU / chipsetu budu mit o dobre 4C vice, protoze prutok bude daleko horsi nez kdyz dam na CPU MCW6002 - pak budu mit na CPU o 1C vice, ale GPU / chipset budou alespon o 4C studenejsi. Muzu se samo mylit, ale ta restrikce prutoku udela sve, nic si nemalouvejme...

Strom G4 review by pHestus:
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...review_-_1.php

Jak funguji ty pin-disruptory v Stormu dole:
http://www-fpc.stanford.edu/Durbin/modeling.html

[Edward Ng]

I already knew about pHaestus making a review of the block since day one (I speak with him regularly thru AIM), so I never made any plans to review the block. My abilities to review a water block are no comparison to phaestus--water cooling is not my review forte.

-Ed

[trodas]

Prvni obrazky StormG5 - stribrna zakladna, bude to asi sakra drahe (CascadaSS stala 240 AU$), dirky jsou mensi nez o G4 stormu (asi pro zvyseni rychlosti proudeni vody) a je jich vice (asi aby to nebylo tak desne restriktivni):











...zaver - predikuji, ze to bude zase o neco lepsi nez Strom G4 - ovsem ty prachy za to nedam, klidne se spokojim s 40$ MCW6002 co alespon nelimituje flow a da mi o 1C vyssi teplotu - no boooze

[MadCap]

no ... storm G4 mal byt podla catharovych slov lacny a super .. super sice je ale lacny teraz rozhodne nie znizil (MASIVNE!) cas vyroby ale cena je stale vysoka ....
Storm G4 should be (according to cathar) cheaper and superb ... superb definitely but cheap no > he cut down (massively!) maschine time but the price is still too high! ...

[Edward Ng]

I sure wish I could understand all this (Altavista translator cannot handle this language)...

[Zilla]

I sure wish I could understand all this (Altavista translator cannot handle this language)...

No problem, we can translate it for you: StormG5 will probably be VERY expensive and too restrictive for the waterflow, so if we feel like getting a new WB, we'll just stick to Swiftech...
Any questions?

[Edward Ng]

Nope.

Thanx.

[Zilla]

Nope.

Thanx.

You're welcome. Next time, don't hesitate to ask, a lot of people around here are pretty good at english and can translate almost anything for you...

[trodas]

Storm G5 assembled and ready
Price is same as old SS Cascade - 240 AU $ (120$ is deposit - eg. before Cathar start even work on your block)

Frankly, such prices for maybe 2C down on CPU temperature? When all my CPUs I ever had can hande over 80C w/o any limits in overclocking? (my mobile AXP 2500+ handled 86C and 2500Mhz)

Nothing for me. Tough, the flow rate is improved and it is around the old cascade values now - hoooray! At least something. Even the "around" formulation likely trying to hide the fact, that the flow is still slightly worser


PS. aaaargh! I just read that the G5 is only 0,9C better in cooling that the G4... Silver + more pipes... and only 0,9C?! Crap, IMHO... Waste of money. I go and buy MCW6002 for 40$ - it will perform almost the same as G5 (the 1,5C difference in CPUI temp I hapilly overlook, as the flow guarantee me lower GPU temp anyway)... Look there:
http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php

[janko_hrasko]

Ja len by som si dovolil tvrdit ze waterflow nieje stale najdolezitejsim faktorom lepsieho chladenia. Vecsiu rolu pri cascade hraje asi vytlak (ktorym sa ale samozrejme zvetsuje aj prietok) ... pretoze je asi akurat dolezitejsie pod akym tlakom dokeze cerpadlo pretlacit vodu cez trisky a akurat tym sa moze zvysit prietok .. cele jo to samozrejme limitovane. A pri beznych prietokovych blokoch je prietok fakt malo podstatny faktor.

[Prokop]

Ja len by som si dovolil tvrdit ze waterflow nieje stale najdolezitejsim faktorom lepsieho chladenia. Vecsiu rolu pri cascade hraje asi vytlak (ktorym sa ale samozrejme zvetsuje aj prietok) ... pretoze je asi akurat dolezitejsie pod akym tlakom dokeze cerpadlo pretlacit vodu cez trisky a akurat tym sa moze zvysit prietok .. cele jo to samozrejme limitovane. A pri beznych prietokovych blokoch je prietok fakt malo podstatny faktor.

presne tak..
klasicky priklad Iwaki pumpy - obrovsky tlak a pritom standartni prutok