Intel Conroe - novy kral

[MadCap]

to sa neda tipnut, ale to co vidis po nete su ESka cize predprodukcne/vyvojove kusy, ktore nemavaju nejake uzasne overclocky takmer nikdy ...

[Krimi 2000]

Co myslite, na kolko mhz pojdu taktovat prve kusy?
Ano, planuje sa 3,33g extreme edition, ale to co je momentalne vonku ide sice pekne taktovat do nejakych 2.8-3ghz ale dalej ani velmi nie, tie co su 3.4 su na roznych kompresorovych chladeniach a pod. A je pravda, ze su to iba prve sample, ale myslim ze co sa tyka intel 65nm vyrobneho procesu, ten sa uz nejak velmi zlepsovat nebude, kedze uz priblizne pol roka sa na nom vyrabaju vo velkom procesory. Snad ta nova revizia conroe pomoze.

Ake su vase odhady? Kolko od toho mozem realne ocakavat?

No, na xtremesystems se to hezky rozjizdi, takze kolem 4Ghz asi nebude problem.
E6700 ES na default vcore 3897Mhz
Superpi 1M-12.9xx s
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99961

[redevile]

ma cenu kupovat hned prvni kousky,nebo pockat az ceny spadnou?Aby to nebylo jako s optikama,prvni sly brutalne pretaktovat a ty dnesni zadna slava,kompa uz mam prodanyho,tak ted cema co koupit.

[THX]

IMO ceny budu primerane. Low end je superlacny netburstovy celeron, ktory na 65nm nema problem dosahovat vysoke frekvencie.
Myslim ze ceny budu pomerne rovnake ako teraz (podla uz uvedenych cien servrovych verzii).

Otazka - vsetky conroe maju rovnake jadro? Alebo su dve verzie jedna so 4mb cache a jedna s 2mb? Alebo tie 2mb kusy su len nepodarky s vypnutou polkou cache?

Kazdopadne otazka cakania - cakanim sice mozno ziskas nizsiu cenu, ale pocas toho cakania budes mat stale ten stary pomalsi procesor. Ak upgradnes hned, tak sice mozno das viac, ale ten vykon mas hned. Otazne je, ci ti stoji ten dajme tomu polrok lepsieho vykonu za danu vyssiu cenu.

Ale E4200 (1.66g/800fsb/2m cache) by mal byt ako najslabsi dost lacny a pretaktovavacsky potencial myslim ze bude mat fakt velmi slusny, tipujem tak 66% a viac.

No, na xtremesystems se to hezky rozjizdi, takze kolem 4Ghz asi nebude problem.
E6700 ES na default vcore 3897Mhz
Superpi 1M-12.9xx s
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99961

nj, ale chladi to dusikom, co pre mna jaksi na beznu prevadzku neprichadza do uvahy...
Aj tak bude nova revizia, tak snad sa to este zlepsi.

[Baron]

4GHz

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99981

[THX]

conroe 2.4g a 2.66g (e6600 a e6700) vs fx-60, fx-62 a ee955:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692&page=3

Conroe bude fakt sila

[Eagle]

To nic není. Už otestovali dvojprocesorový Woodcrest 3 GHz. Výkon je mega - http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-A...7004F9A80.html

[MadCap]

tak to je huste :x

[short24]

a ta poklona AMD v dodatku, to si musi dat AMD za ramecek at zije konkurence !!!

[THX]

Ako ocakavate rast frekvencii do buducna u intelu? Pretoze amd prejde na 65nm a teda im porastu frekvencie a znizi sa spotreba. Vidim to tak, ze v pripade servrov dojde k vyrovnaniu vykonu (na tom teste je sice o nejakych 10-15% vykonnejsi woodcrest, ale tiez ma 2x viac cache, 2x rychlejsiu fsb, ale aj o 15% vyssiu freq.).

Ak ma dnes amd max. 2.8ghz na 90nm, tak kolko budu mat cca o rok na 65nm? A kolko bude mat intel?

[Eagle]

Vcelku pochybuju, že frekvence bude nějak markantně růst. Stejně tak jí ale moc neočekávám u AMD - určitě něco málo 65nm dá, ale tipuju spíš, že se frekvenčně s Intelem vyrovnají a bude rozhodovat architektura.

[Aigor]

Souhlasim s Eaglem, myslim ze Intel uz poznal ze zvysovani freq neni nejlepsi postup a AMD se z toho taky poucilo. A co hlavne - pomalu si zvykaji i zakaznici, takze nastava (doufejme) doba chytrych reseni, kdy pujde o architekturu a uspory energie, nez o kilowatty ve zdroji.
Osobne proti vykonu nic nemam, ale na 95% veci mi stacil i Duron 700, 4% se daji pustit pres noc a to 1% je o dobrem pocitu

[Luk(y)isek]

Urcite ty vysledky ktery ted ma Intel jsou hodne vyborny,ale AMD snad brzy zase neco vymysli aby dorovnal silu s Intelem nebo ji jeste zvysil...
Jinak ja osobne si myslim ze frekvence procesoru se uz nebude tak razantne zvedat,ale spise se do budoucna bude vice vyuzivat nekolikajadrovych CPU (viz. novy Playstation 3).

[Eagle]

Bohužel ale frekvence je měřítkem výkonu. Tady jde spíš o to, že oni nemůžou, ne že by nechtěli.

[Aigor]

Bohužel ale frekvence je měřítkem výkonu. Tady jde spíš o to, že oni nemůžou, ne že by nechtěli.

To mas pravdu, ale kolik (normalnich) lidi dneska vi kolik ma ktery CPU freq ?
Oznaceni uz jede podle jinejch cisel, navic se zavadi dalsi finty jako "centrino", IIVV (nebo jak),... a podle toho co sem cetl s tim slavi Intel dobry uspechy.
Nedavno kdyz prisla do firmy dodavka novyc PC, musel sem se uz taky divat na inet kolik MHz to vlastne ma, protoze vsude uz bylo jenom ciselny znaceni.
Vidim to jako postupnou prevychovu zakazniku, pomalou ale jistou

[Jezevec]

Ja to vidim spis jako dobrej pokus jak maximalne zneprehlednit trh, podobne jako u grafickych karet, kde BFU nema ani paru o tom, jakej je rozdil mezi ruznejam SE/LE/GT/... verzema. Pak si casto koupi predrazenej kram coz zjisti kdyz uz je pozde.

[THX]

Ja to vidim spis jako dobrej pokus jak maximalne zneprehlednit trh, podobne jako u grafickych karet, kde BFU nema ani paru o tom, jakej je rozdil mezi ruznejam SE/LE/GT/... verzema. Pak si casto koupi predrazenej kram coz zjisti kdyz uz je pozde.

to je pravda, a mna najviac stve ked su rozne recenzie a nenapisu tam poriadne aka to je karta (kolko pipeline, frekvencie gpu, pamati, sirku zbernice pamati), potom tam maju rozne grafy, testovanie vykonu atd. a ja si v googlovi musim hladat tie frekvencie (vacsinou ani na stranke vyrobcu nie su). A to iste teraz s conroe. Same Enieco ale proste tu frekvenciu a cache tam nenapisu

[MISKOBOSS]

to je pravda, a mna najviac stve ked su rozne recenzie a nenapisu tam poriadne aka to je karta (kolko pipeline, frekvencie gpu, pamati, sirku zbernice pamati), potom tam maju rozne grafy, testovanie vykonu atd. a ja si v googlovi musim hladat tie frekvencie (vacsinou ani na stranke vyrobcu nie su). A to iste teraz s conroe. Same Enieco ale proste tu frekvenciu a cache tam nenapisu

no to musim s tebou souhlasit
nektery testy fakt stoji za hovno
ja jsem napriklad do ted nenasel jednoznacne napsany, do jake patice bude conroe(ale tusim, ze to je s.775)

[THX]

Tak a mame tu ceny:

.......
Intel Core 2 Duo processors for desktops will apparently be launched on the 23rd of July, 2006, but the number of models will be relatively limited, just as expected. Initially, Intel will offer four Core 2 Duo processors and one Core 2 Extreme chip, five new chips in total, HKEPC web-site reports. The family of desktop “Conroe” chips with 1066MHz processor system bus will consist of Core 2 models E6700, E6600, E6400 and E6300 that will operate 2.67GHz, 2.40GHz, 2.13GHz and 1.86GHz, respectively. The E6700 and E6600 models will sport 4MB unified L2 cache, whereas the E6400 and E6300 will have 2MB unified level-two cache. Pricing of the parts is claimed to be even more aggressive, than expected previously: $530, $316, $224 and $183 for the E6700, E6600, E6400 and E6300, respectively.

The most advanced member of the Core 2 family will be Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800, which will operate at 2.93GHz, use 1066MHz processor system bus and equipped with 4MB level-two cache. It will cost $999 in 1000-unit quantities and will provide end-users increased performance and some other improvements over typical Core 2 Duo products.
.......

[Masster]

Hmmm, E6700 na 4.6GHz
Superpi 1M-11.359s

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...41#post1471041

[NMS]

Bude i nějaké "Core 2 Solo" ? Ale bude ..

Pro ty, co neumějí čínsky, neumělý překlad:

Receives a Taiwan main engine board merchant news to disclose that, Intel decided the second quarter applies in 2007 the brand-new Core micro overhead construction in the low step tabletop processor product, promotes the single nucleus heart edition Conroe the -L processor, will cross the threshold in the future above the level product line all for the double core design, according to the main engine board industry disclosure, will plan before 2007 year's end suspends production Celeron D and the Pentium 4 processors, completely will substitute by single core Conroe-L, will delimit the period for the former generation Netburst micro overhead construction. The most recent news which according to the main engine board industry receives refers, the Conroe-L processor will use the LGA 775 processors connections, Intel very greatly possibly can naming substitute by Core 2 Solo old has Pentium 4 and Celeron and so on old has the brand, outside 800MHz FSB the frequency and has 512KB and 1MB L2 the Cache edition, when the arteries 暫未 were disclosed, will support Enhanced Intel Speed Step (EIST) the technology, Intel the EM64T technology and Execute Disable Bit (XD Bit) the technology, but actually will not support Intel Virtualization (VT) the technology, might match 撘 low step 946GZ and the 946PL chip group, Estimated the match could be 65 奈 rice AMD Sempron RevG which 2,007 second season will promote the edition Sparta single core, will use Socket the AM2 connection to support Dual Channel the DDR2 memory body technology, according to will know the micro overhead construction not to have the modification, but the brand-new K8L micro overhead construction will estimate supposes must the fourth season realize to 2007 on the product. Now the AMD frontage micro overhead construction new product army threatens the border to Intel the Core, in addition Intel shears the throat type to reduce the price the former generation product by the clear spatial stock, was had AMD the feeling which gasps for breath, yesterday regarding this had what countermeasure according to the main engine board industry to the AMD inquiry, had known AMD will be able greatly to reduce prices to July 23 Intel to make the corresponding motion, but 減幅 will be inferior to "Intel 723 to fear the cloth to attack" to shock, now AMD only has the static waiting in December, 2006 Fab 36 65 奈 Mi Ch'anneng approaching, in addition Singapore special permission semiconductor company's generation of labor rescue, Only then has the foot 夠 produces can carry on the price war with Intel.

A dokonce i nový "FSB 1333 MHz" chipset Medvědí jezero.
A totéž:

2006-5-26 14:29 yesterday Intel already to main engine board announcement official Core 2 Extreme processor specification, the first model was C2E X6800, when the arteries were 2.93GHz (11 x 266MHz), maintained 1066MHz FSB and has 4MB L2 Cache, the highest power loss was 80W, supported Intel Virtualization (VT) the technology, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep (ESIT) the technology, Intel the EM64T technology and Execute Disable Bit (XD Bit) the technology, but will not support Hyper-Threading, Core 2 Extreme could not lock in the future the frequency multiplication command to surpass the frequency to play the family to be able the processor limit development, every thousand fixed prices will be $,999 US dollars. The Core 2 Extreme X6800 main match could be AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 (2.8GHz/1MB x 2 L2/1GHz HT), every thousand will fix a price $1,051 US dollars, now many tests media has pointed out FX-62 and E6700 (2.66GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB) the potency close, but the major part test will be Intel the Core micro overhead construction slightly occupies superiorly, therefore will infer Gao Shihmai Core 2 Extreme X6800 to resist FX62, the potency disparity might further pull open before, will appear in the brand-new K8L overhead construction, AMD 拱讓 for very was truly long the potency emperor throne of has not stained this Intel. Although early many reports pointed out, Core 2 Extreme will be able to use supposes 1333MHz in advance the FSB overhead construction, but actually this will be and not possible, although the server level WoodCrest processor overhead construction will reach agreement, when WoodCrest will use brand-new Bensley and the Glidewell chip group, the design has planned has supported 1333MHz FSB, but the tabletop chip group 965 families specifications which and soon issued including existing i975X highest only supports to 1066MHz FSB, therefore the Conroe tabletop processor will have to support 1333MHz FSB only to be able to wait in 2007 the second season, Intel will be able to promote the brand-new mainstream level tabletop chip group code number will be Bearlake, Future will substitute for soon the Boardwater family which issued on June 5, could be first supports 1333MHz FSB the tabletop level chip group product, will match 撘 south the brand-new ICH9 family the bridge, was very possible according to the main engine board industry disclosure this chip group at the same time in to construct supports DDR2 and the DDR3 memory body controller, the situation has like the same year 915 families simultaneously to support DDR and DDR2. Is same with BoardWater, Bearlake will be able to use commercial platform edition Bearlake Q, tabletop mainstream level edition Bearlake P and in constructs cartography core edition Bearlake G, but until the present book moves up to, Intel not yet will have the plan to promote the high step tabletop chip group edition, will substitute for the existing i975X chip group.

[MEluZíNa]

E6700 ES na default vcore 3897MhzSuperpi 1M-12.9xx s

Hmmm, E6700 na 4.6GHz
Superpi 1M-11.359s

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...41#post1471041

To je docela zajimavy, ze rozdil mezi 3,9Ghz a 4,6Ghz je v SuperPI jenom 1,5sekundy. Tedy pri 18% OC je to pouze 10% vykonu navic...

[Dejvak]

Core 2 Extreme X6800ES 2,93GHz@4,74GHz
SuperPi 1M - 10,75s
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=100978

[Neller]

10,75s...no to je uz fakt hafo sada, stejne jako tech 4,74GHz.

[Baron]

5GHz

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101421

Time: 10.281s (Super PI / mod1.4)
Clock: 5003.1MHz (fsb416.9MHz x12)
CPU: Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2.93G/266x11/FSB 1066/L2 4MB)
M/B: Intel D975XBXLKR-rev303 modded (bios:1073)
CPU Cooling: LN2 (Pro4 + V-TEC ARC Bed Rev.3.4)
Memory: Corsair PC2-5400UL(v1.3) 512MB x2
VGA: ATI rageXL (PCI)
HDD: IBM DTLA-307020
Power Supply：Zippy-460w
Vcore: 1.74v, Vdimm: 2.55v, Vio: 3.65V
OS: Windows Server 2003
MEM: 4:5, CL4-2-2-2