Nvidia Detonátory 50 aneb nvidia zase podvádí

[Spajdr]

http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2013

Driver Heaven's Veridan3 & Zardon collaborated to expose nVidia's cheating in the newest 51.75 detonators under Aquamark3.

Apparently there is a signifigant loss off image quality with these new dets...go figure.
Quote:
Zardon at DriverHeaven:
Now, im sure most of you have read Gabes recent comments regarding the detonator 51.75s, and Nvidia's offical response but I really do have to say, having seen this first hand it confirms to both myself and Veridian that the new detonators are far from a high quality IQ set. Alot of negative publicity is currently surrounding Nvidia, and here at driverheaven we like to remain as impartial and open minded as we possibly can, but after reading all the articles recently such as here coming from good sources and experiencing this ourselves first hand, I can no longer recommend an nvidia card to anyone. Ill be speaking with nvidia about this over the coming days and if I can make anything public I will.

3DGpu's Matt Burris also comes to this conclusion on the new detonators having image degrading cheats for Aquamark3

[Spajdr]

http://www.driverheaven.net/articles...rk3/index3.htm

[sisi]

"Dalsie diely" su tu:
http://www.3dgpu.com/modules/wfsecti...leid=74&page=0,
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.ph...rticle&dId=517.

[PePo]

Jeee, to je mi tak jedno. Myslite, ze se rozbrecim, rozslapu svoje FX-ko a budu utikat do nejblizsiho kramu pro ATI ? Leda houby - mozna az daji konecne dohromady tu svoji 0.13-ku. Jak se tak divam na ty screenshoty, tak to jsou teda fakt "very noticeable" rozdily - evidentne tam o5 natvrdo soupli bilinear nebo nejakou silne osekanou verzi trilinearu jako do UT2k3. Jestli takto vypadaji vsechny ty "skandalni" cheaty od NV, tak je mi to sumafuk...
PS: Ale mam v sobe 5xPlzen, tak to neberte moc vaaazne...

[sisi]

PS: Ale mam v sobe 5xPlzen, tak to neberte moc vaaazne...

No, to mas aspon FSAA bez ubytku vykonu... Hmm, ze ma toto nenapadlo skor .

[Semik]

Mno mna to tiez netrapi .... zbytocny thread, ked je to uz pisane v ovladacoch.

[Wuuduu]

As far as I am concerned, AA image quality from the old drivers to the new drivers has increase a little bit with the Radeon graphics being a tad worse than nVidia, but only by a small margin. This may explain the drop in performance with the new drivers, but for such a small increase in image quality it seems fairly unlikely.

...

Again, you decide for yourself which is better or worse. I cannot be the judge of that.

1000 ludi, 1000 nazorov.

[Spajdr]

As far as I am concerned, AA image quality from the old drivers to the new drivers has increase a little bit with the Radeon graphics being a tad worse than nVidia, but only by a small margin. This may explain the drop in performance with the new drivers, but for such a small increase in image quality it seems fairly unlikely.

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Again, you decide for yourself which is better or worse. I cannot be the judge of that.

1000 ludi, 1000 nazorov.

no koukám ty sis vybral to svoje

[Wuuduu]

tak isto, ako ty to svoje.

Toto su totiz take VELKE ROZDIELY v kvalite zobrazenia, ze bez Photoshopu, vyhladavania toho "spravneho" framu a 10x zvacsenia si to nevsimnes, ani ked chces a velmi sa snazis.
Preco tam nedali porovnavanie Cat3.6 a 3.7? Aj tam sa urcite nieco "najde", sa naseriem, nahodim testy a screenshoty do Photoshopu z Black Dragona (R8500) a stav sa ze nieco najdem, na 100%.

Kto chce psa bit, palicu si najde...

[Lukas-SVK]

Mno mna to tiez netrapi .... zbytocny thread, ked je to uz pisane v ovladacoch.

zdar uz mas ps2?

MAs GT3?

Héééééérgot , to štestííí.


S tymi ovladacmi je to jedno , vlastne je to druh optimalizacie.
VAcsi vykon , oproti skoro nepostrehnutelnym rozdielom.

[sisi]

As far as I am concerned, AA image quality from the old drivers to the new drivers has increase a little bit with the Radeon graphics being a tad worse than nVidia, but only by a small margin. This may explain the drop in performance with the new drivers, but for such a small increase in image quality it seems fairly unlikely.

...

Again, you decide for yourself which is better or worse. I cannot be the judge of that.

1000 ludi, 1000 nazorov.

No, vsak prave preto som tam postol tie dalsie dva linky - aby sme to mali "objektivnejsie". Inak s Tebou presne suhlasim... kazdy nech si spravi vlastny nazor - ja nikomu nechcem vnucovat ten svoj.

[Luks]

As far as I am concerned, AA image quality from the old drivers to the new drivers has increase a little bit with the Radeon graphics being a tad worse than nVidia, but only by a small margin. This may explain the drop in performance with the new drivers, but for such a small increase in image quality it seems fairly unlikely.

...

Again, you decide for yourself which is better or worse. I cannot be the judge of that.

1000 ludi, 1000 nazorov.

No, vsak prave preto som tam postol tie dalsie dva linky - aby sme to mali "objektivnejsie". Inak s Tebou presne suhlasim... kazdy nech si spravi vlastny nazor - ja nikomu nechcem vnucovat ten svoj.

Vsak taky kdyby si mnel GeForce tak bys byl radsi zticha zhe

[sisi]

Vsak taky kdyby si mnel GeForce tak bys byl radsi zticha zhe

Preco by som mal byt ticho? Sorry, ale nejako mi uchadza ta logika za tymto prispevkom...

[Spajdr]

tak isto, ako ty to svoje.

Toto su totiz take VELKE ROZDIELY v kvalite zobrazenia, ze bez Photoshopu, vyhladavania toho "spravneho" framu a 10x zvacsenia si to nevsimnes, ani ked chces a velmi sa snazis.
Preco tam nedali porovnavanie Cat3.6 a 3.7? Aj tam sa urcite nieco "najde", sa naseriem, nahodim testy a screenshoty do Photoshopu z Black Dragona (R8500) a stav sa ze nieco najdem, na 100%.

Kto chce psa bit, palicu si najde...

když už zhoršují kvalitu obrazu,tak to mají udělat tak aby to bylo pak i rychlejší ve všem,a né jenom v tom co je nové,vypadá to pak dost divně,ATi takové divné finty nepoužívá a to ještě běží GPU a MEM o dost níže a ty ten rozdíl nevidíš ? v tom animovaném obrázku je to dobře vidět.

[Semik]

Mno mna to tiez netrapi .... zbytocny thread, ked je to uz pisane v ovladacoch.

zdar uz mas ps2?

MAs GT3?

Héééééérgot , to štestííí.

Ne este nie :P , ale vlajky treba vyvesit dopredu

[Lukas-SVK]

Mno mna to tiez netrapi .... zbytocny thread, ked je to uz pisane v ovladacoch.

zdar uz mas ps2?

MAs GT3?

Héééééérgot , to štestííí.

Ne este nie :P , ale vlajky treba vyvesit dopredu

Ak budes mat , tak daj vediet , sa dostavim.
BTW: Neches predat Athlona?

[Wuuduu]

2Spajdr: aj Ati pouziva, ver tomu... tiez uz mali svoj pruser.
Podla poslednych testov sa Det 45.xx sustredili na kvalitu a ta je vyssia ako na Cat 3.7. Maju viac urovni filteringu a jemnejsie prechody.

A tie gify... TO JE JEDEN FRAME vybrany. Urcite sa da najst 20 dalsich kde to bude opacne, a kde to radko dostane ako male decko... zapomen na taketo porovnania. Uplne <>oviny su to...

[Spajdr]

2Spajdr: aj Ati pouziva, ver tomu... tiez uz mali svoj pruser.
Podla poslednych testov sa Det 45.xx sustredili na kvalitu a ta je vyssia ako na Cat 3.7. Maju viac urovni filteringu a jemnejsie prechody.

A tie gify... TO JE JEDEN FRAME vybrany. Urcite sa da najst 20 dalsich kde to bude opacne, a kde to radko dostane ako male decko... zapomen na taketo porovnania. Uplne <>oviny su to...

Ale neser,něco používala,ale už nepoužívá. A tu kvalitu i detonátoru od 45.xx to jsi vyhrabal odkud ? z jednoho zdroje ? trochu málo řekl bych,ten jako taky jediný napsal že obraz u CAT 3.7 je horší což je nesmysl,je pořád ten samý.

[Spajdr]

A kašlem na hádky,hlavně ať se to hýbe
Koukal jsem na jiné porovnání a tam jsem už rozdíl neviděl,při těch 70fps+ se to stejně ztratí,to je fakt.

[Wuuduu]

Ja sa nehadam. Nie som nVidiak, ani Atista - kedze mam aj Radka aj FX-ko...

Tak jak v jednom teste vyslo zle pre FX, tak v druhom nic.. serem vsetky tie testy, ked vyjde HL2 uvidime, zatial mame my klud.

[Lukas-SVK]

Ja sa nehadam. Nie som nVidiak, ani Atista - kedze mam aj Radka aj FX-ko...

Tak jak v jednom teste vyslo zle pre FX, tak v druhom nic.. serem vsetky tie testy, ked vyjde HL2 uvidime, zatial mame my klud.

ale podla tvojich reakcii to nevyzera na to ze ti to nevadi.

Ja si myslim ze sa chces len utvrdit v nazore ze si kupil dobru kartu.
FX5800 nieje zla , ale bohuzial Atiny su v pomere cena/vykon lepsie.

[Wuuduu]

Prd, kupil som dobru kartu, hlavne za "dobru cenu" ale keby mali R9700Pro za tie prachy, beriem ten.
Jedine co mi SUPER vadi, je ked vytiahnu jeden frame z 5000 dalsich, a v Photoshope to porovnavaju tak, ze ani sami nevedia ako.... ale nakoniec tam tie "rozdiely" najdu. Tak nech mi ukazu tie rozdiely aj na ostatnych framoch. A nech to porovnavaju aj na Atinackych driveroch.
Zatial som spokojny, intenzivne testujeme s kamosom, co ma R9700Pro na PIV 2,8GHz a vysledky su viac-menej vyrovnane. Vsade. Uplne vsade.

Kvalita obrazu je super na oboch kartach.

Takze ked vyjde HL2 a moja "slaba karta" nebude stihat, a ja budem musiet nutne hrat tu super hru, kupim si R9800Pro - nastastie peniaze su najmensi problem (zjaden). Ale myslim, ze chyba je skor v SW ako v HW.

[Spajdr]

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/..._rel50/003.htm

další testík na porovnání

[sisi]

No, a tu je dalsie "odhalenie"... takze uz "fusuju" aj do JKII:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...r=1#post194989 . (Just kidding... )

[Lukas-SVK]

Prd, kupil som dobru kartu, hlavne za "dobru cenu" ale keby mali R9700Pro za tie prachy, beriem ten.
Jedine co mi SUPER vadi, je ked vytiahnu jeden frame z 5000 dalsich, a v Photoshope to porovnavaju tak, ze ani sami nevedia ako.... ale nakoniec tam tie "rozdiely" najdu. Tak nech mi ukazu tie rozdiely aj na ostatnych framoch. A nech to porovnavaju aj na Atinackych driveroch.
Zatial som spokojny, intenzivne testujeme s kamosom, co ma R9700Pro na PIV 2,8GHz a vysledky su viac-menej vyrovnane. Vsade. Uplne vsade.

Kvalita obrazu je super na oboch kartach.

Takze ked vyjde HL2 a moja "slaba karta" nebude stihat, a ja budem musiet nutne hrat tu super hru, kupim si R9800Pro - nastastie peniaze su najmensi problem (zjaden). Ale myslim, ze chyba je skor v SW ako v HW.

S tvojim strojom si to urcite zahras.

Ja by som tiez siel do ati radeon 9700/9800 pro